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Poster: TOOTMO Date: May 22, 2012 9:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

So, I'm minding my own business the other day, reading a book on the Johnson v. Johnson will contest (as in, involving heirs of the J & J fortune) and I come across this paragraph:



"It started at eleven o'clock in the morning with an orchestra playing at the pool, and we served lobster salad for two hundred people, and then we served dinner, a filet-mignon dinner, and it went on from eleven o'clock in the morning to five o'clock in the morning.

"[Mary Lea's] son brought a group to us and I didn't know who they were, and I said, 'Who are all these DIRTY PEOPLE who keep running around and plugging things n the house? They're just so filthy,' and it was the [sic] Grateful Dead. They played ON AND ON and then all of a sudden cars started to drive up on our lawn, we had this tremendous lawn, and then all the kids came and started throwing blankets down. There was a priest and another group smoking pot and Mary Lea handing out bottles of champagne to all these strange kids and as we sat there it became an outdoor concert." (emphasis added.)

Anybody have an idea when this might have been? Mary Lea's birthday was August 20th but I don't know that the party was actually on that day. I think it may have been in 1979 but that seems awfully late in their career for an "impromptu concert". They did play in upstate NY on 1979-08-31 and this "concert" would have been in NJ.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 22, 2012 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

When did the pranksters go to Millbrook? Too early for this?

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Poster: BVD Date: May 23, 2012 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

Yup too early. The Pranksters were there in 64'.

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 23, 2012 4:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

I have no idea.

I did want to say thanks for the 5/17/77 recommendation though. I mistakenly thanked RBNW in my review when it was you sir, that gave me that fine advice. Much appreciated. Hijack over.

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Poster: DeadATL Date: May 23, 2012 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

Sounds like the time Spicoli hired Van Halen to play his birthday party.

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Poster: wineland Date: May 23, 2012 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

Brad Hamilton: Why don't you get a job Spicoli?
Jeff Spicoli: What for?
Brad Hamilton: You need money.
Jeff Spicoli: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

I wish it were true.

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Poster: corry Date: May 23, 2012 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

This really is intriguing, and I'm inclined to give it credence. Not least because its so unlikely. It's lost, it's live, it's dead--I'm on it.

Off the top of my head, I would think 1979 or 1980 make the most sense. Southampton is pretty remote, so the Dead would have made the extra travel part of their fee. In 1979, their tour opened in Glenns Falls on Friday, August 31. Whose to say they weren't flown in the Saturday before (August 24)? It doesn't conflict with any Garcia shows. They might also have played in September of '79.

September 80 is a possibility, though not likely August. The tour ended in Lewiston, ME on Sep 6 and they didn't play the Warfield until Sep 25. 1981 is very unlikely due to too many conflicts with Garcia dates.

The Grateful Dead's finances were dire in 1979-80, and it would still have been possible to keep a party gig under the radar. Even by 1982, I don't think that would have been so true.

Great research by TOOTMO--considerably less likely shows than this have turned out to have likely occurred, so I'm not betting against this one.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: May 24, 2012 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

Here are some more thoughts after I went back and read a little before and after that passage:

New Jersey: I think the party was in NJ. The Johnsons had some palatial homes there. There has been no mention of the Hamptons yet in the book.

Date: Seems like if you are going to give someone their first birthday party of their life, you would do it ON their birth DAY. So, even though it was Monday, these aren't really the kind of people who let a WEEKDAY interfere with a good time.

Availability: My brief looksy came up with the boys in Colo. the week before and upstate NY the week after. Plenty of time to move some equipment around the country.

I've got a couple of sources that I can look at the house over the weekend.

Thanks, corry, you've got me interested again in taking this further.

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 24, 2012 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

If it's NJ, it would mean they played twice at a private party for roughly the same people. Or more likely the source's memory or writer's sleuthing or both wasn't quite perfect, and locales just got confused. Guess they didn't invite any tapers.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: May 24, 2012 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

"Each year, Richards would try to outdo himself: The Grateful Dead,"

The book says that Mary Lea's son brought the Dead (Who are these dirty people?) so could they have played later on in the 80's? Mary Lea was born in the 20's and Marty the 30's so they would seem a little early to be Dead fans on their own.

BUT, I pulled up a nymag.com article and it stated that Mary Lea DID give Marty a SouthHampton estate in 1978 as a wedding present (nice present, huh?) So, I'll bet you are right about the show being out on the Island on Gin Lane.

I pdf'd some of the pages before returning the book and I will try to get them up here some how.

Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: NYLifer Date: May 26, 2012 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

I asked McNally on Facebook.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 23, 2012 2:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for a date: A mystery for you Dead Sleuths

I googled "Mary Lea Richards" and "Grateful Dead" and got this article on a producer who I guess was her son:

>Many of Richards’s shows have been sold-out successes, but the most coveted ticket in the social and theatrical world for years has been an invitation to his over-the-top Southampton bashes. “His parties were magnificent, beyond anything,” Cy Coleman recalls. “It was like going to the land of Oz—huge tent, hundreds of people, everything first-class.” Each year, Richards would try to outdo himself: The Grateful Dead, the Village People, and Neil Sedaka have performed on Gin Lane, along with impromptu riffs with Sondheim or Coleman at the piano. Singer Lesley Gore, a regular guest, says, “Everything is a production for Marty, with no cost spared. He has this childlike attitude that anything is possible.”

>And everything was possible at those parties, which after the more uptight folks left sometimes turned into Dionysian revels. Ah, yes, the sex-and-drug excesses of the seventies and eighties made for a few particularly memorable evenings. “It got pretty wild,” says one amused guest. “There were a lot of drugs. You were afraid to walk into the bathroom.”

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/n_8492/index2.html

Unfortunately there are no more details after that. I expect the Village People and GD parties transformed the bathrooms into fearsome dens of iniquity in rather different ways. But Neil Sedaka? The mind boggles. O amused guest! Do tell us more!

What surprises me is that the GD were still "all these DIRTY PEOPLE" in the late 70s. I kinda thought they were bathing by then. Guess it's all relative, dahling.

And what a quote from that book you're reading! It sounds like something out of, oh, Dinner at Eight or Grand Hotel. I can't even picture it in anything but black and white.

Mavis: (Speaking while lounging in her boudoir and nibbling bonbons.) My dear how absolutely dreadful, to be utterly FORCED to be there when those filthy people just INSISTED in playing ON AND ON. Such sounds, my dear! You simply cannot imagine!

Helen: (On her own phone, in bubble bath, also nibbling bonbons) How deliciously shocking! Why, you were positively slumming it! But my darling, why didn't you leave?

Mavis: It was the fault of my chauffeur. He went into the bathroom and simply would NOT come out!

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2012-05-23 09:31:03